From June 12th 2018
BigClaudia: “hello”
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “Claudia say hello”
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “There we go XD”
Alita: “Hello and welcome ^.^”
Alita: “I finally have the honour of knowing you!”
Group member 1: “Hello”
BigClaudia: “greetings”
Group member 1: “Welcome :3”
BigClaudia: “thank you”
Group member 1: “^^”
BigClaudia: “i am a DA vore artist and I prefer same size, G/t of any kind”
Group member 1: “*smiles*”
BigClaudia: “😘”
Group member 2: “Welcome”
Comment:
- BigClaudia was invited by Gabriel.
- Their interaction is consistently friendly throughout her stay.
- Since our rules forbid entry to minors and Gabriel knew the rules, we had no reason to doubt that BigClaudia was an adult. Later investigation shows this to be correct.
The following day, June 13rd, 2018
Here’s an extra screenshot from the day after, when BigClaudia decided to publicly discuss alleged cases of harassment by other people.
She received support and understanding from us.
BigClaudia: “I have these damn stalkers all around!”
Group member 1: “OwO”
Group member 3: “Are you being stalked?”
BigClaudia: “Not from just one, but many idiots”
Group member 3: “Eh, the price for fame. u.u(?)”
BigClaudia: “Not for fame, but for hate.”
Group member 3: “Ah, so are they haters?”
BigClaudia: “yes”
BigClaudia: “They wrote bullshit about me on Kiwifarm, they showed false proofs and then used archive.is on all of my sites. Including instagram that, thank god, I privated.”
Group member 3: “But did you understand the reason of such hate?”
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “Good morning ^^” (Boggiorgio > buongiorno, silly slang)
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “How are you friends? :3”
Group member 3: “I’m good, we’re talking about haters”
BigClaudia: “Because of my art and my characters”
Group member 3: “Are they offensive in some way?”
BigClaudia: “Yes, rather gross” (volgati > volgari, there’s a typo)
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “Oh Jesus, Joseph and crowned Mary 🙄” (it’s a sort of exclamation of exasperation)
Group member 3: “Oh ok then”
BigClaudia: *links the Kiwifarm article*
Group Member 4: “i just joined… what happened? >.<”
BigClaudia: *angry Super Mario sticker*
Group member 1: “Hello :3”
BigClaudia: “hello”
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “The curse of the haters”
Comment:
- BigClaudia already introduces herself as a person surrounded by drama and as someone who constantly plays the victim; this will remain a constant in most of her interactions.
- This was technically a violation of our rules which state “no external drama”.
- BigClaudia displays frequent use of vulgar vocabulary and unprompted swearing; while technically allowed, it’s in really poor taste.
The conversation continues:
BigClaudia: “people don’t learn to mind their own business”
Group member 1: “True uwu”
Group Member 4: “oh.”
BigClaudia: “they’re stalking me”
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “Yeah, plus they break your balls for things you don’t do” (“break [smn] balls” (italian slang) > “to harass/annoy someone”)
BigClaudia: “yeah”
Group member 1: “Ok, when the term “chaos” is putting it mildly”
Group Member 4: “but… wait… why these people waste their time breaking other’s balls?”
Group member 3: “I read the post… Wow… :v”
BigClaudia: “yeah”
Group Member 4: “I’m sorry for you, Claudia”
Group member 1: “Oh dear, I’m sorry”
Group member 3: “Am I wrong or that forum (or at least that part of the forum) is a factory of cyber bullies?”
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): ”I’d like to be a cracker or a Hacker”
Anima-ribelle456 (Gabriel): “In this way I can break their pcs” (sputtanare, mildly vulgar italian slang)
Group member 1: “I only saw the post in the link, but a ddos attack would be needed for them”
BigClaudia: “same”
BigClaudia: “they do it just to break people’s balls”
Group member 1: “u.u”
BigClaudia: “and yesterday I had a shitty day” (phrased in a vulgar way)
Group member 1: “I see”
BigClaudia: “They kicked me out from a server for not showing my sites to the admins, are you kidding me?! i showed them to the admins time ago, to harek” (io lo mostrato > io l’ho mostrato, common typo. We also assume harek is another person we don’t know of)
BigClaudia: *send a help parrot sticker*
Comment:
- She essentially self-reports by linking to a KiwiFarms page about her; while we don’t particularly like KiwiFarms, it would appear it would have been best to take it as a red flag and ban her immediately. Instead, she is shown support, kindness and understanding.
- Big Claudia starts talking about unrelated drama completely unprompted. Again this is a violation of our rules, however we exercised discretion since, at the time, she looked like a person in need of help.
- This event falls into her usual pattern of being kicked from an online community and immediately start complaining about it to anyone willing to listen.
Conversations after the new group opening
Between the previous screenshots and the following, Big Claudia left Hyperuranium Network after causing multiple public flames between users and, due to her general unpleasantness shown throughout her stay, she was banned to prevent her from returning: these events are discussed in the Document.
Against our better judgement, we resolved to give her a second chance and she joined back after being privately cautioned very clearly against causing drama.
Here’s a selection of screens to illustrate what kind of conversation was going on at the time.
December 3rd, 2018
Me (Alita): “Welcome!”
Me (Alita): (answering a previous message from Gabriel asking if he could send a non-vore artwork) “Sure, send it away”
BigClaudia: (answering Alita) “you mean welcome back”
Me (Alita): “Yes”
Gabriel: (answering Big Claudia) “Yes, welcome back xD”
BigClaudia: “how are you doing?
Gabriel: *sends a SFW drawing he did* “It’s the first time that I drew a zombie from The Evil Within And I did it at school”
Gabriel: (answering Big Claudia) “Good, what about you? ^^”
BigClaudia: “i’m working on a commish” (commish > commission)
Gabriel: “Ah okkie” (a friendly “ok”)
Admin1: (answering Gabriel) “Wow, you’ve improved 🤔”
Deleted account: “Hello! Welcome back!”
Gabriel: “What’s funny is that my professor arrived, saw it and told me ‘Mh..nice…yes, the anatomy is correct, there are a bit too many ribs. But a psychiatrist woud be needed’ and yeah, I started laughing with him 😂”
Gabriel: “Also because he told me he was joking 😂”
BigClaudia: “he needs a psychiatrist”
Admin1: “what 😂😂😂”
Gabriel: “Oh well 😂”
BigClaudia: *sends a sketch she did*
Gabriel: (answering Big Claudia): “Nooo c’mon. Afterall everyone needs one in afterall” (sic.)
Gabriel: (answering Big Claudia’s drawing): “Fair enough ^^”
Group member 1: “Hello :3”
Admin1: “This As much as we need doctors”
Gabriel: “Exacly u.u” (he does a typo)
Mod1: “*exactly” (jokingly correcting him)
BigClaudia: “anyway do you know the encyclopedia dramatica?”
Sharinne: “Nom! Mmm… Delicious!” (Sharinne is our Network bot, this was the custom message she sends after banning a spammer)
BigClaudia: *gentle gasp parrot sticker*
Mod1: “Yes why?”
BigClaudia: “yesterday I found an article about vore and eka’s portal” (Eka’s Portal is an ancient vore gallery similarly to FurAffinity.)
BigClaudia: “what’s bad about it is that I’ve found an active invite to the official eka’s portal server there”
Mod2: (answering Gabriel’s previus sketch): “Nice”
BigClaudia: *sends one of her illustrations*
Gabriel: (answering Mod1’s typo correction): “Shit xD”
BigClaudia: “anyway on DA I have a group called voreitalia and we’re organising vorechristmas”
BigClaudia: “the founder and I drew the poster”
Gabriel: “I’ve been on eka for a while”
Comment:
- Once again, BigClaudia and Gabriel are talking together in a friendly manner, making it impossible to us to even suspect anything wrong might have been going on long before between them.
- Big Claudia self-promotes her DA group, which is a serious violation of our rules. This goes to show she never read the rules or, worse, didn’t care about them.
- Your main takeaway from these screenshots should be the kind of vibe present in the group: chill, relaxed and not at all cause of alarm. This should also serve as your first indication that all of her rants about our “toxic” behaviour, while not our main concern here, are all but unfounded: the only person causing any amount of trouble is herself.
Some more conversations between her and Gabriel
From December 7th 2018
Gabriel: “Once I get home I need to practice on [drawing] human faces”
BigClaudia: *sends a discord link with a WIP of one of her drawings*
BigClaudia: “Yesterday I sketched it” (lo > l’ho, typo)
Gabriel: “You draw in a manga style, but I need to draw it in a realistic style”
Gabriel: “And wow, that’s difficult xD”
BigClaudia: “Precisely it’s an adopt style”
Me (Alita): (answering Gabriel’s comment) “I know how it feels”
Gabriel: “What do you mean? That you buy a style?”
Me (Alita): “I think she means that’s a style specifically for adoptables, I believe”
BigClaudia: “It’s a simple style”
BigClaudia: “I use it for adopts in order to not make mistakes” (li uso > lo uso, common typo)
Gabriel: “Ah okay, the last thing we need is buying an [art] style At this point you could just copy a style of another artist and pass it off as your own 😂”
Gabriel: “Don’t misunderstand, this is what I thought”
After those messages the topic changed:
Me (Alita): “Btw I’ve been peeking on Newgrounds and it seems a good platform. It has a well-organized posting system 🤔”
In this other conversation we were doing a poll for fun, showing our preferences in terms of vore, specifically what kind of pred gender we preferred.
From December 12th, 2018
BigClaudia: “I am a girl and I prefer both” (sic.)
Group member 5: “I see there’d be plenty of work” (c’è > ce, common typo)
Group member 5: “I was visiting the city, some areas didn’t have signal”
FyreDraygg: “Your mistake was allowing neutrality 😂”
Gabriel: “I prefer both of them (sic.) I just wanna have fun 😂”
BigClaudia: “Me too”
FyreDraygg: (answering Gabriel) “Don’t you have a preference?”
FyreDraygg: “They’re like completely equal to you, without any difference?”
FyreDraygg (answering Big Claudia): “But if you need to choose, you choose M/F”
Gabriel: “The winning sex to me is female vore” (sic.)
Gabriel: (answering Fyre’s question) “To be honest, I adore F/M But from time to time I even like M/F”
FyreDraygg (answering Gabriel): “The your vote should be F/?”
BigClaudia: “I stand with m/f for the most part” (sic.)
FyreDraygg: ““No preference” is only if you can’t pick one over the other”
BigClaudia: “You should see me as a pred to give you an idea” (dovresto > dovresti, typo)
Gabriel: “Ah okay, well I put that because I like F/? anyway But I also like M/? So I based that on what I like, even if I like one a little bit more than the other”
BigClaudia: “We are similar”
Deleted account: “To be honest I really like F/F”
Deleted account: “But also F/M”
BigClaudia: *sends one of her drawings*
Comment:
- More evidence that Big Claudia and Gabriel were interacting in a friendly way.
- This further invalidates Big Claudia’s claim that “after turning 18 she understood Gabriel to be a groomer”;
- if she had, she wouldn’t be speaking to him in this way.
Another conversation between them
From December 15th, 2018
Gabriel: “Guys, do you know those people that ask you for money and in exchange they show you they’re some sort of association that help homeless people?”
Cultural context: he’s referring to a common street scam tactic: people would come nearby you, talk about their well-crafted sad backstory and ask you for money, heavily manipulating you into feeling guilty. Another tactic is placing something on your hands and not wanting to take it back, asking for money in return.
BigClaudia: “No”
Gabriel: “Y’know, those [people] that you give them something [money] and they give you some sort of postcard”
Gabriel: “Unfortunately, damn me for being good and an asshole, I gave him 20€ that I needed and he gave me all of his coins” (he uses “stronzo” > asshole to mean “idiota” > idiot. It’s a regional dialect form. Essentially he’s complaining that he was unable to stand up for himself in that situation.)
Gabriel: “Damn I hate myself in these situations 😣”
BigClaudia: “You’re not alone”
Gabriel: “Why can’t I tell people to fuck off?”
Gabriel: “Can someone tell me why?”
BigClaudia: “I did it during my first year in high school. In a class trip to *city name*” (lo > l’ho, typo)
BigClaudia: “I remember there were 2 idiots that gifted me some pens and asked for money. After that my female classmates gave them money, they took back our pens and went away. I playing dumb gave excuses to not give them anything and I told them to fuck off”
Gabriel (audio transcript): “He gave me a postcard and said to me ‘give me whatever you want’, so I was like ‘I’ll give you 10€ but for some reason he saw 20€, so he told me ‘if you give me 20€ I’ll give you the change”. So I said ‘No I need the 20€’, he answered ‘No don’t worry’. He took 20€, he showed me 10€ and 15€. What he did was giving me back 10€ and 15€ but he didn’t give me back anything, right? I could’ve told him to fuck off by saying ‘No, that is my money and you get what I want to give you.’ but I didn’t. I didn’t! I contained myself. I could’ve made him hate me, but I didn’t. Heh. What an idiot I am, right? I’m really a moron.” (We’re not really sure about what exactly happened, but the general gist is he got scammed.)
Big Claudia (audio transcript): “You could’ve rightfully done that, in this way you could’ve shown him that he was the idiot, not you.”
Gabriel: “Yes, but I’m too nice for this kind of stuff”
Gabriel: “And that’s not right [for me to do so]”
BigClaudia: “Showing kindness isn’t always a good idea. Telling people to fuck off on the other hand makes your life longer”
Me (Alita): “You should ignore them and move on”
BigClaudia: “That too”
Me (Alita): (answering Big Claudia’s message) “Good job.”
BigClaudia: “That’s what I did when I still was in the first couple of years of high school”
Gabriel: (answering Alita) “I try, it’s not that I don’t try”
Me (Alita): “You need to be mean, those people are there purely to scam you”
BigClaudia: *parrot sticker*
Me (Alita): “And never show, nor make them touch your wallet, they’re fuckin’ fake goody-goody people that only make a big scene”
Gabriel: “Indeed, but I’m a real idiot”
Gabriel: “I could’ve ignored that, but nope”
Gabriel: “As a perfect idiot”
Me (Alita): “You need to learn, slowly you’ll get used to that
Other’s wellbeing can wait if yours is first, that’s all”
BigClaudia: “You first analize the situation, then act”
Mod2: “I tell them in a rush that I don’t have any money… After all it’s true that I don’t have any money 😂”
Mod2: “I always bring a second wallet to do this scene”
Mod2: “I don’t need a second one, the first one is enough 😂”
BigClaudia: “At least I can show I have nothing”
After this message the topic of the conversation changed.
Mod2: “Anyway did you know you can access the vore group from the internet?”
Comment:
- This conversation is typical of their interactions during their stay on Hyperuranium Network.
- It plays out as a supportive exchange between friends.
- No hints of discomfort, annoyance or any other kind of negative dynamic can be perceived.